Is it possible to start the minilab without a starter kit?

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rookie
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19 Nov 2017, 19:33

Hello,

I need to start FF340 but we cannot buy a starter for CD.
Is it possible to start the lab without a starter liquids?
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Mr.Twister
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21 Nov 2017, 17:20

Yes, a starter is very expensive for CP48 or CP49 if you decide to buy it from Fujifilm.
Better to buy Axel Color starter - it costs 3 times less in Euro.

And it is possible to start the lab without a starter:

CP48
How to make P1 for a 12,7L working tank (Frontier 350/355/370/375/390)
Recipe:
1. Take 20L plastic bin and pour there 7,8 L of clear water.
2. Add there 3,9 L of replenisher developer (Р1-R) - you can take it from the CP48 cartridges or from CP-47L P1-R (2 cans * 2,5L is enough).
3. Add to this mixture 3,9 L of the water (instead of a starter)
4. Mix it manually with any stick.
5. Pour the mixture into P1 tank.
Discard exceeded solution.

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For Frontier 330/340 all the same but the ready volume will be 10L.
CP49
Р1 for Frontier 330/340:

1. Water - 6 L
2. P1-R - 3 L
3. Water - 3 L.
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CP49
Р2 for Frontier 330/340:

1. Water 5L
2. Р2-RA -2,5L
3. Р2-RB - 2,5L
4. Pour in the working tank.
Discard exceeded solution.

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CP48
P2 for Frontier 350/355/370/375/390

1. Water - 6,5L
2. Р2-RA -3,25L
3. Р2-RB - 3,25L
4. Pour in the working tank.
Discard exceeded solution.

Do not forget to perform calibration.
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22 Nov 2017, 18:06

I like it!
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01 Dec 2017, 05:11

Sorry to say it,s F340 so chemical should be CP49 not CP48.and also as Same in Starter. Remember
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01 Dec 2017, 09:24

Oh, yes- I just mistyped...
Thanks for the correction.
But I cannot change it now, sorry.
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01 Dec 2017, 09:43

No need to worry - I can change :-)
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19 Feb 2022, 15:11

Mr.Twister wrote: 21 Nov 2017, 17:20
Do not forget to perform calibration.
I make this mixture to frontier 350 from FUJIFILM cartridge CP-48SII PC

CP48SII P1
How to make P1 for a 12,7L working tank Frontier 350
Recipe:
1. Take 20L plastic bin and pour there 7,8 L of distilled water.
2. Add there 3,9 L of (CP-48SII PC P1R) from the CP48SII CPcartridges .
3. Add to this mixture 3,9 L of the water (7.8 water + 3.9 P1-R + 3.9 water --> i get about 15.6 L mixture)
4. Mix it manually with any stick.
5. Pour the mixture into P1 tank.
Discard exceeded solution.

CP-48SII P2
P2 for Frontier 350

1. Water - 6,5L
2. PC-48SII PC Р2-RA -3,25L from CP-48SII PC cartridge
3. PC-48SII PC Р2-RB - 3,25L from CP-48SII PC cartridge
4. Pour in the working tank. (3.25 P2-RA + 3.25 P2-RB + 6.5 L distilled water ---> i get about 13 L mixture)
Discard exceeded solution.

Do not forget to perform calibration. <--- I think this is temperature calibration. I don't know what is mean. Can you tell me, what you mean ?
When i set temperature down, from 38 C temp to about 28 C temp, i get result ---> whiter... I don't know, what i do ---> wrong.
Sorry, for me bad english.
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19 Feb 2022, 15:20

It is normal, if temp need set down ?
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19 Feb 2022, 15:35

Nothing surprising. Terrible replay. For FF340 tanks, you need only 300 grams of concentrate from each can. Not 3 liters! Drain 3 liters of chemicals from the working tanks and top up with water.
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19 Feb 2022, 15:46

You mean P1 and P2 tanks ? My is Frontier 350 not 340, do you sure about 300 grams ?
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19 Feb 2022, 16:32

The FF350 has slightly larger tanks. 340 has 10 liters. You have 12. So 300-350 grams of concentrate is enough.
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19 Feb 2022, 16:49

So, just Drain 3 liters of chemicals from P1 and P2 working tanks. Drain 3 L from P1 , drain 3Liter from P2 ? Or 1,5 L from P1 , 1,5L P2 ?
Can you help about this --> temperature have must real ? I mean with thermometer set temp ? (temp calibration)
Thank you ?
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19 Feb 2022, 17:11

Drain 3 L from P1 , drain 3Liter from P2
Temperature must be - P1 38,5, P2 - 38.0. PS - 38.0.
Set them in the menu - Processing Temperature Setting.
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19 Feb 2022, 17:35

Ok, i trying this...

What you mean ?
mitrofanov_serge wrote: 19 Feb 2022, 15:35 Nothing surprising. Terrible replay. For FF340 tanks, you need only 300 grams of concentrate from each can. Not 3 liters! Drain 3 liters of chemicals from the working tanks and top up with water.
You mean, mixture is like this.
CP48SII P1
1. Take 20L plastic bin and pour there 7,8 Liter of distilled water.
2. Add there 390 gram, not 3,9 Liter of (CP.-48SII PC P1R) from the CP48SII CPcartridges
3. Add to this mixture 3,9 Liter of the water
4. Mix it manually with any stick.
5. Pour the mixture into P1 tank.
Discard exceeded solution.

CP-48SII P2
1. Water - 6,5Liter
2. PC-48SII PC Р2-RA -325gram not 3,25 Lite from CP-48SII PC cartridge
3. PC-48SII PC Р2-RB -325gram not 3,25 Litefrom CP-48SII PC cartridge
4. Pour in the working tank.
Discard exceeded solution.
DO YOU MEAN THIS MIXTURE ? IF NOT, CAN YOU WRITE YOUR MIXTURE.
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19 Feb 2022, 19:44

I make things easier. I fill the working tanks P1 and P2 with water to the level. Warm up the minilab to operating temperature. Then I drain 300 grams of water from the P1 tank and add the concentrate from the P1 RA cartridge. I drain 600 grams of water from the P2 tank and add 300 grams each from the P2A and P2B cans. Then I run the test. If it is not black enough on it, I pump up P1 through the menu or add 50 grams of concentrate. What's so difficult? And spend 2 cartridges to start ...
It is convenient to add the concentrate through the filter holes.
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20 Feb 2022, 00:37

I'm just want know about this more. What you mean --> And spend 2 cartridges to start ? Do you mean per filter holes or put to cartridges place. And how i can use cartridges if my FF350 no want requiret 48 cartridge use. Sorry, my realy bad english. Can i use cartridge - just one buttom ?
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20 Feb 2022, 17:25

mitrofanov_serge wrote: 19 Feb 2022, 17:11 Drain 3 L from P1 , drain 3Liter from P2
Temperature must be - P1 38,5, P2 - 38.0. PS - 38.0.
Set them in the menu - Processing Temperature Setting.
I drain 3 L from P1, drain 3 L from P2, fill water, set temperature P1 38,5, P2 - 38.0. PS - 38.0 , and result this... Why no white color, why yellow ?
My P1-R P2-RA P2-RB sensor and replenisher tanks is empty, becouse i cleaning this.
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20 Feb 2022, 18:10

Cartridge... Do not should ask for a replenisher box, If it does not ask you can force the mix. I found this menu, right ?
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20 Feb 2022, 18:13

mitrofanov_serge wrote: 19 Feb 2022, 19:44 I pump up P1 through the menu or add 50 grams of concentrate.
Do you mean this menu ?
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21 Feb 2022, 07:03

You no longer need to pump solutions. You have such a strong overexposure! Drain another 2 liters of P1 and add water. Lower the temperature in tank P1 to 35 degrees. And check what happened.
Mr.Twister advised a completely wild recipe. And you followed him.
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21 Feb 2022, 09:28

mitrofanov_serge wrote: 21 Feb 2022, 07:03 You no longer need to pump solutions. You have such a strong overexposure! Drain another 2 liters of P1 and add water. Lower the temperature in tank P1 to 35 degrees. And check what happened.
Mr.Twister advised a completely wild recipe. And you followed him.
I drain 2 Liter from P1, add water, set to P1 35C temp. What i have.
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21 Feb 2022, 15:35

Drain another 2 liters of P1 and add water to the level. And try again. The chemistry is very highly concentrated. You have to dilute a little and try. The recipe was given absolutely wild! 3.9 liters of concentrate...
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21 Feb 2022, 19:04

mitrofanov_serge wrote: 21 Feb 2022, 15:35 Drain another 2 liters of P1 and add water to the level. And try again. The chemistry is very highly concentrated. You have to dilute a little and try. The recipe was given absolutely wild! 3.9 liters of concentrate...
I drain 2 liters of P1 and add water to the level. Here i have.
P1 - 35 temp less yellow, 38,5 more yellow, no white. I have more black, i mean, after less black...
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22 Feb 2022, 08:07

Lower the temperature of P1 to 33 and P2 to 35 degrees and try.
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22 Feb 2022, 09:40

mitrofanov_serge wrote: 22 Feb 2022, 08:07 Lower the temperature of P1 to 33 and P2 to 35 degrees and try.
P1-33temp P2-35 temp
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22 Feb 2022, 09:47

Take a teaspoon of regular table salt. Dissolve in a glass of warm water. Pour into working tank P1. Let the machine stir the solution for 5 minutes. Print a test.
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22 Feb 2022, 09:54

mitrofanov_serge wrote: 22 Feb 2022, 09:47 Take a teaspoon of regular table salt. Dissolve in a glass of warm water. Pour into working tank P1. Let the machine stir the solution for 5 minutes. Print a test.
Teaspoon salt put to P1 ?
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22 Feb 2022, 10:33

mitrofanov_serge wrote: 22 Feb 2022, 09:47 Take a teaspoon of regular table salt. Dissolve in a glass of warm water. Pour into working tank P1. Let the machine stir the solution for 5 minutes. Print a test.
I put salt to P1, i get more white color. Not full white.
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22 Feb 2022, 15:44

Pure white is now impossible to achieve. Set up all papers as usual (through a densitometer) and print. After a while, the chemistry will come in order and everything will be OK.
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22 Feb 2022, 16:41

mitrofanov_serge wrote: 22 Feb 2022, 15:44 Pure white is now impossible to achieve. Set up all papers as usual (through a densitometer) and print. After a while, the chemistry will come in order and everything will be OK.
OK. Thank you.
Why salt make paper more white ? Bad my water ?
Do you use Fuji Film FRSS 10 filter system ? Or use other filter system ?
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